Yes, it is looking like there are going to need to be some deals done. Matt Goodwin is interesting on this election in Dover as an indication of what might easily happen in a General Election...
Fighting like rats in a sack whilst Britain Burns. It’s time the politiacal classes abandoned the politics of the playground. Telling them to play nicely won’t work . All of them need to stop sulking.
The one thing you overlooked David, and it concerns the turnout. Both you and I know that in our homeland, republican/nationalist areas have a high turnout, whereas the unionist areas tend to have a lower turnout. The right needs to get to those people who for one reason or another decide to stay at home on polling day, especially for this crucial next General Election, possibly the last chance to make real political change or to see the demise of our once great country, that's the choice facing each and every one of us. If the left wins, I can only see it ending in violence and a full scale civil war.
If you are a right-leaning voter it makes no sense to vote for a party that is not right wing. We have seen that the Tories are not. If we take an analytical look we can see that Reform UK are not either. I agree that we need the right to be mostly united. The recipe for that is for all the voters with right wing inclinations to unite behind the one party which is authentically right wing and that is Restore Britain. Work is under way to explain this to the electorate and it is going well. Demographic Security is non-negotiable.
While you are correct in your assessments, as far as that goes. I'm afraid that you've overlooked one the main problem. The system itself is the problem, it's parasitic, self-serving and self-protecting. So what if Reform or Restore Win, as for the Cuckservatives, they are in no small way responsibile in part for all that's befallen us. All the institutions have been similarly captured and subverted, social, political, economic, etc.
More and more people are beginning to wake up to this reality, even if it's just at a visceral level.
Most people know that you cannot win a rigged game, which is increasingly, obviously what the political and social systems of the D-UK have become. The only way to "win" a rigged game is not to participate, which is what has been going on, on an ever increasing scale, not just politically, but economically and socially too. The point has been reached, and quite sometime ago in certain instances, where ever increasing numbers of "ordinary" members of the population, have realised on a variety of levels, "that there is something rotten in the state of Denmark", and that it's they who are the victims of all this perfidie.
There is no political cure to what ails us, more and more people are aware of this, even if they deny such, even to themselves, as much as others. Fear, guilt and shame can do terrible things to people, individually and collectively.
Effectively, politicially and socially engaging in, rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic, cannot and will not resolve or cure our ailments. Only bring about even greater catastrophes than have already occured.
In medical parlance, when does one stop treating the disease and instead move to palliative care? When the treatment causes more harm and suffering to no good beneficial effect, and when the body is so riddled with disease to the point of becoming rotten, and overtaken by corruption.
At which point the compassionate and correct thing to do, is to ease the suffering of the patient as far as one is able to, and let nature take it's course... Which is where I think we are at with the D-UK and much of Western Civilization. Things have gone too far, to the point that those who have aided and abetted all that has been instigated and inflicted upon us, are seeking ever more desperately to drive us to our destruction.
We need to realise where we are at, and act accordingly to weather the coming storm and it's aftermath.
Perhaps in time, a form of Civic Politics, at all levels can be engaged in, but we are not there yet, and may not be for many years, if not decades to come.
We need to establish the means of our survival and continuation for the coming years and future generations. Politics just isn't that and cannot be that at this stage. There's just too many bad faith actors on all sides and at all levels.
May God bless, guide and protect you and all those of good faith. Deus Vult 🙏🏻✝️🏴🏴🏴🇬🇧🇨🇮
In Australia most elections use a system where you rank the people you are voting for. 1, 2, 3 not just an X marks the spot. Primary votes are counted then preferences are allocated. So in a case where two similar parties are against a third very different candidate, A and B would usually give each other their second preference to each other and put C last. However in a UK situation, Restore have actually come out and told their supporters if they do not have a candidate to vote Green rather than Reform. I think that's shooting yourself in the foot. They'd probably do the same with preferences. It's short term thinking at a time where we need to be concerned about the long term.
Yes, this article describes the situation quite well. Unfortunately PR doesn’t solve it either because multi-party coallitions end up in a ineffectual log-jam like in Germany or here like Cameron-Clegg.
There are votes to win a clear mandate but it relies on converting non-voters and normies, not just political rivals. My diagram in this article displays it clearly.
Well, a council election in Dover with a couple of thousand turnout is hardly a bellweather constituency election is it…. Just vote Reform UK, that's all!
That's not Restore Britain's fault per se though. We live in a democracy where we are free to vote how we want. It's Reform's inability to attract more right and centre right votes. I'm a Reform voter myself, but they try my patience at times with incoherent and over complicated policy. They desperately need to cut through, stop blaming everybody else and pull their socks up. The right doesn't need to unite, they need to be convinced to vote Reform UK!
Again John, sorry but you are wrong in this instance. Reform take the time and effort to come up with policy that can actually work in practice, not just theory. Restore often just shoot from the hip with a meme or sound bite that seems simple and easy but hasn't been thought through. Reform policy only goes as far as current law allows and the majority of the population would approve of.
A perfect example is Restore's policy of banning any dual national from access to benefits. I imagine it comes from the fact that many rape gang perpetrators are Pakistani/British dual nationals who they want to punish. It sounds simple and logical on the surface. It would also mean I would lose eligibility to the OAP, as would my local councillor. Ray is a former British marine but was born in Ireland. There are numerous countries where it is just not possible to renounce your citizenship. I can give up being Australian if I chose. Ray can give up being Irish. A Christian, or Buddhist, or Sikh Iranian can't. So a Christian refugee from a Muslim theocracy could never get access to any benefit under Restore. Neither could anybody born in Argentina because that's how their constitution is written. In some cases even their children have automatic citizenship that can't be renounced.
That is why sometimes Reform policy looks more complicated. Because real life is much more complex than a meme saying "A British passport doesn't make you British". Being well meaning doesn't always work.
Matt Goodwin is one of Reform UKs liabilities. I don't doubt he really is very clever but he definitely has a superiority complex. Losing Goreton and Denton gave him a serious case of sour grapes that he hasn't let go. It's everybody's fault except his. He's perfect.
The truth is, Reform have to regain momentum, it's not, and must never be accepted that it's somebody else's fault, the Burnham bounce, its the left tactical voting, it's Restore Britain. Reform have to cut through, they accepted a 'Burnham bounce' and decided not to do anything to counter it, not that I noticed anyway. Farage and co. Need to find a way to gain traction, blaming everybody else is pathetic. We deserve better than that. Reform have to attract more voters, simple as that, because we won't take a Reform-Tory coalition, not under any circumstance.
Elections are a popularity contest, they need to be more popular. Whining about 'uniting the right' shows weakness and does the opposite. Stand tall and support Reform, don't give in to the far right.
You are completely incorrect there. Actually look at what both Matt Goodwin and the party hierarchy said about Gorton and Denton. From day 1# it was all about getting more votes than Labour. Matt actually said very early in the campaign "even if that means coming second". Every comment you have made on this thread is selective with the truth.
No Reform isn't perfect. No I don't like every one of the leaders personally. Do I think they are a good mixture of people with different backgrounds and experience? Most definitely. And that is Reform's strength. The management aren't cookie cutter clones. That's a good thing.
Ok, agree to disagree. I don't want to get into an argument because I don't like the bloke both politically and as a person. We obviously differ. Good, because we can't all be cookie cutter clones.
You would probably say exactly the same things about me John. Working class background, got an education, ended up as an academic. Because I speak with authority in my area of expertise you call that a superiority complex. It's just knowledge. In your field of expertise I would defer to you. Because Matt and I can understand and use the language of the left doesn't mean we agree with it. My PhD is full of postmodern twaddle because I needed to pass!
Goodwin is a political scientist. A political party can use a political scientist! He was always on the centre left but an expert on populist movements. He had a "road to Damascus" moment after the 2016 referendum. He had voted Remain himself but was shocked by fellow Remainers attacking him for saying that the majority had voted Leave and in a democracy that stands. He was "cancelled".
My background differs somewhat. Grew up on a council sink estate, regularly got into 'scrapes', left school at 16 with a couple of O levels, got a job, worked hard, rose to management level of a highly respected construction design based company (deliberately vague). Put it bluntly, lived and experienced life, and people, extensively. As someone who's clawed his way up the ladder from the depths of drugs and violence surroundings to success, I've been subject to many people with superiority complexes, been spoken down to all my life pretty much. I have a thick Welsh valleys accent which gives away my stupidity to those 'better than me'. I have a different perspective to you. I trust my gut instincts. They've served me well for over 40 years. I have been wrong, but not often. And I've learned to own up to mistakes and change my position. I don't play very well with the middle classes, the entitled lanyard brigade, the I know better than you brigade. My opinion is no better or worse than anybody else's opinion, that much I've learnt over the years, and there's no such thing as a wrong opinion, they're just opinions, personal thoughts and ideas. This platform is for voicing those opinions, whether theyre frim university educated professirs with phd's or low down uneducated Welsh Valleys council estate scumbags like myself.
In short, I'm not wrong, I differ. And I'm not bothered how intelligent you are compared to thickos like me.
Yes, it is looking like there are going to need to be some deals done. Matt Goodwin is interesting on this election in Dover as an indication of what might easily happen in a General Election...
https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/why-an-obscure-local-election-should
Fighting like rats in a sack whilst Britain Burns. It’s time the politiacal classes abandoned the politics of the playground. Telling them to play nicely won’t work . All of them need to stop sulking.
Think about the people 🤬🤬🤬
Exactly
I think that it might be the case that Tory voters are of a similar mind to Badenoch: that they would prefer Labour to Reform!
Definitely possible
SAD DAY for the good guys in this world !!
When you divide politics between left and right it doesn’t work.
Tory’s are right wing?
Reform are really right wing?
Did Reform get rid of Lowe because he was a lefty?
Did they take on Kruger and Jenrick because they were Tory right wing?
Left and right is past it.
Only if you divide the parties according to their globalist or non globalist actions does the true picture emerge.
Does dividing politics between globalist and non globalist make reality clearer? Yes.
Is facing globalist politics the only way of fighting the Uniparty?
Yes again.
The one thing you overlooked David, and it concerns the turnout. Both you and I know that in our homeland, republican/nationalist areas have a high turnout, whereas the unionist areas tend to have a lower turnout. The right needs to get to those people who for one reason or another decide to stay at home on polling day, especially for this crucial next General Election, possibly the last chance to make real political change or to see the demise of our once great country, that's the choice facing each and every one of us. If the left wins, I can only see it ending in violence and a full scale civil war.
If you are a right-leaning voter it makes no sense to vote for a party that is not right wing. We have seen that the Tories are not. If we take an analytical look we can see that Reform UK are not either. I agree that we need the right to be mostly united. The recipe for that is for all the voters with right wing inclinations to unite behind the one party which is authentically right wing and that is Restore Britain. Work is under way to explain this to the electorate and it is going well. Demographic Security is non-negotiable.
While you are correct in your assessments, as far as that goes. I'm afraid that you've overlooked one the main problem. The system itself is the problem, it's parasitic, self-serving and self-protecting. So what if Reform or Restore Win, as for the Cuckservatives, they are in no small way responsibile in part for all that's befallen us. All the institutions have been similarly captured and subverted, social, political, economic, etc.
More and more people are beginning to wake up to this reality, even if it's just at a visceral level.
Most people know that you cannot win a rigged game, which is increasingly, obviously what the political and social systems of the D-UK have become. The only way to "win" a rigged game is not to participate, which is what has been going on, on an ever increasing scale, not just politically, but economically and socially too. The point has been reached, and quite sometime ago in certain instances, where ever increasing numbers of "ordinary" members of the population, have realised on a variety of levels, "that there is something rotten in the state of Denmark", and that it's they who are the victims of all this perfidie.
There is no political cure to what ails us, more and more people are aware of this, even if they deny such, even to themselves, as much as others. Fear, guilt and shame can do terrible things to people, individually and collectively.
Effectively, politicially and socially engaging in, rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic, cannot and will not resolve or cure our ailments. Only bring about even greater catastrophes than have already occured.
In medical parlance, when does one stop treating the disease and instead move to palliative care? When the treatment causes more harm and suffering to no good beneficial effect, and when the body is so riddled with disease to the point of becoming rotten, and overtaken by corruption.
At which point the compassionate and correct thing to do, is to ease the suffering of the patient as far as one is able to, and let nature take it's course... Which is where I think we are at with the D-UK and much of Western Civilization. Things have gone too far, to the point that those who have aided and abetted all that has been instigated and inflicted upon us, are seeking ever more desperately to drive us to our destruction.
We need to realise where we are at, and act accordingly to weather the coming storm and it's aftermath.
Perhaps in time, a form of Civic Politics, at all levels can be engaged in, but we are not there yet, and may not be for many years, if not decades to come.
We need to establish the means of our survival and continuation for the coming years and future generations. Politics just isn't that and cannot be that at this stage. There's just too many bad faith actors on all sides and at all levels.
May God bless, guide and protect you and all those of good faith. Deus Vult 🙏🏻✝️🏴🏴🏴🇬🇧🇨🇮
In Australia most elections use a system where you rank the people you are voting for. 1, 2, 3 not just an X marks the spot. Primary votes are counted then preferences are allocated. So in a case where two similar parties are against a third very different candidate, A and B would usually give each other their second preference to each other and put C last. However in a UK situation, Restore have actually come out and told their supporters if they do not have a candidate to vote Green rather than Reform. I think that's shooting yourself in the foot. They'd probably do the same with preferences. It's short term thinking at a time where we need to be concerned about the long term.
Yes, this article describes the situation quite well. Unfortunately PR doesn’t solve it either because multi-party coallitions end up in a ineffectual log-jam like in Germany or here like Cameron-Clegg.
There are votes to win a clear mandate but it relies on converting non-voters and normies, not just political rivals. My diagram in this article displays it clearly.
https://futuredad.substack.com/p/futuredad-96-restore-hope-and-car?r=59rk8t
Well, a council election in Dover with a couple of thousand turnout is hardly a bellweather constituency election is it…. Just vote Reform UK, that's all!
You miss my point. Reform keep losing as the left unites.
That's not Restore Britain's fault per se though. We live in a democracy where we are free to vote how we want. It's Reform's inability to attract more right and centre right votes. I'm a Reform voter myself, but they try my patience at times with incoherent and over complicated policy. They desperately need to cut through, stop blaming everybody else and pull their socks up. The right doesn't need to unite, they need to be convinced to vote Reform UK!
Again John, sorry but you are wrong in this instance. Reform take the time and effort to come up with policy that can actually work in practice, not just theory. Restore often just shoot from the hip with a meme or sound bite that seems simple and easy but hasn't been thought through. Reform policy only goes as far as current law allows and the majority of the population would approve of.
A perfect example is Restore's policy of banning any dual national from access to benefits. I imagine it comes from the fact that many rape gang perpetrators are Pakistani/British dual nationals who they want to punish. It sounds simple and logical on the surface. It would also mean I would lose eligibility to the OAP, as would my local councillor. Ray is a former British marine but was born in Ireland. There are numerous countries where it is just not possible to renounce your citizenship. I can give up being Australian if I chose. Ray can give up being Irish. A Christian, or Buddhist, or Sikh Iranian can't. So a Christian refugee from a Muslim theocracy could never get access to any benefit under Restore. Neither could anybody born in Argentina because that's how their constitution is written. In some cases even their children have automatic citizenship that can't be renounced.
That is why sometimes Reform policy looks more complicated. Because real life is much more complex than a meme saying "A British passport doesn't make you British". Being well meaning doesn't always work.
No John. It's an important point. Matt Goodwin made the same point.
Matt Goodwin is one of Reform UKs liabilities. I don't doubt he really is very clever but he definitely has a superiority complex. Losing Goreton and Denton gave him a serious case of sour grapes that he hasn't let go. It's everybody's fault except his. He's perfect.
The truth is, Reform have to regain momentum, it's not, and must never be accepted that it's somebody else's fault, the Burnham bounce, its the left tactical voting, it's Restore Britain. Reform have to cut through, they accepted a 'Burnham bounce' and decided not to do anything to counter it, not that I noticed anyway. Farage and co. Need to find a way to gain traction, blaming everybody else is pathetic. We deserve better than that. Reform have to attract more voters, simple as that, because we won't take a Reform-Tory coalition, not under any circumstance.
Elections are a popularity contest, they need to be more popular. Whining about 'uniting the right' shows weakness and does the opposite. Stand tall and support Reform, don't give in to the far right.
You are completely incorrect there. Actually look at what both Matt Goodwin and the party hierarchy said about Gorton and Denton. From day 1# it was all about getting more votes than Labour. Matt actually said very early in the campaign "even if that means coming second". Every comment you have made on this thread is selective with the truth.
No Reform isn't perfect. No I don't like every one of the leaders personally. Do I think they are a good mixture of people with different backgrounds and experience? Most definitely. And that is Reform's strength. The management aren't cookie cutter clones. That's a good thing.
Ok, agree to disagree. I don't want to get into an argument because I don't like the bloke both politically and as a person. We obviously differ. Good, because we can't all be cookie cutter clones.
You would probably say exactly the same things about me John. Working class background, got an education, ended up as an academic. Because I speak with authority in my area of expertise you call that a superiority complex. It's just knowledge. In your field of expertise I would defer to you. Because Matt and I can understand and use the language of the left doesn't mean we agree with it. My PhD is full of postmodern twaddle because I needed to pass!
Goodwin is a political scientist. A political party can use a political scientist! He was always on the centre left but an expert on populist movements. He had a "road to Damascus" moment after the 2016 referendum. He had voted Remain himself but was shocked by fellow Remainers attacking him for saying that the majority had voted Leave and in a democracy that stands. He was "cancelled".
My background differs somewhat. Grew up on a council sink estate, regularly got into 'scrapes', left school at 16 with a couple of O levels, got a job, worked hard, rose to management level of a highly respected construction design based company (deliberately vague). Put it bluntly, lived and experienced life, and people, extensively. As someone who's clawed his way up the ladder from the depths of drugs and violence surroundings to success, I've been subject to many people with superiority complexes, been spoken down to all my life pretty much. I have a thick Welsh valleys accent which gives away my stupidity to those 'better than me'. I have a different perspective to you. I trust my gut instincts. They've served me well for over 40 years. I have been wrong, but not often. And I've learned to own up to mistakes and change my position. I don't play very well with the middle classes, the entitled lanyard brigade, the I know better than you brigade. My opinion is no better or worse than anybody else's opinion, that much I've learnt over the years, and there's no such thing as a wrong opinion, they're just opinions, personal thoughts and ideas. This platform is for voicing those opinions, whether theyre frim university educated professirs with phd's or low down uneducated Welsh Valleys council estate scumbags like myself.
In short, I'm not wrong, I differ. And I'm not bothered how intelligent you are compared to thickos like me.